Curse

Kai Nui · Dec 31, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Kong, perhaps you don't understand my position. I only play a PVE mesmer, and that requires me to somehow "prove" myself to other people to join groups when I'm completely competant, while warriors and any other yahoo can just join in no questions asked for this X cookie cutter build. After capturing all elites and doing all missions and bonuses with only henchmen since people are either too ignorant to accept a mesmer or they're just plain dumber than a henchman, I've come to realize that unless people can prove themselves to me, they're not worth the hour it takes to put the group together just to wipe out in a few seconds. Kong, your whole person A person B scenario isn't at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that you should be able to play the game how you want to play the game, just as how I think you should be able to live life how you want to live it. Do you believe in communism or something? Stop crapping words out your mouth. If people want to play with their own heroes with their own skill bars with their own builds in their own game, they should be able to. If they want to play with other people, they should be able to. To each his own, jackass.

anarion · Dec 31, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Is it hard to play with other players in PUGs? No. Not at all. It just takes the most basic social skills.

finding players for your group isn't the point. the problem is that the average player out there looking to join PUGs is INCOMPETENT, ie. cannot perform his task well, hence why someone would choose to take a AI replacement.

Antheus · Dec 31, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali

Rules for Engagement by Kali:
1) Posts have to be argumented
2) Posts have to be logically flawless
3) Posts have to pass reality check
4) Poster has to reread his posts, and must not be on drugs while posting
5) Posts cannot repeat like a parrot the previous statements of the poster, without counter-argumenting what the other guy said. Posts cannot repeat the non-argumented points of view which others wrote.

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Tic-tac-toe is easy and people STILL play it. Geez.

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Welcome to 21st century. There was no reason to group before either, zillion of players didnt, in case you didnt notice. All missions can he henched, to my knowledge. At least all Prophecy missions could (afaik) and STILL people played it. How do you explain that?

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Reality check says hi.

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Because there's a name for a person who says stuff which:
a) doesnt pass reality check and is based on urban myths
b) is logically flawed
c) has not been argumented properly, and PROs and CONs have not been weighted
d) defies common sense
e) is selfish, and completely ignores that there are other human beings with their own free will (hint: do i force people not to farm, just because i dont like it, or, do i force people to pvp just because i like it?)

And here we are. Insults, arrogance, commandments, flaming...

Selfishness? Heh...

Here's a free tip on open forums: People have differing opinions. This happens when dealing with other human beings.

I propose this thread be closed now, since the point of asking for an opinion has passed, and has ended with a diatriabe.

anarion · Dec 31, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

you could still respond to my points!

Zinger314 · Dec 31, 2006, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali

If im right, and they disagree, yes they are automatically wrong. Who says otherwise has problems with logic

And how are you "right?" Did I miss the part in Sunday School where the book of "Kaliticus" was discussed? Was there some divine edict that said "And so it shall be said by the Servant of Kali, and all was right in the world"?

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Originally Posted by Angelica

PS - For the people who don't like to have 7 heroes ........ You can always not use them and get a PUG/henchies or whatever you like.

If I'm on the toilet, and I have access to both toilet paper and toilet wipes, It would be unreasonable to use toilet paper to clean my rear.

Chris Blackstar · Dec 31, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

/signed

with the introduction of hero's, it has made questing so much easier. I like to quest with groups also, but certain characters are still discriminated aggainst by those who really do not understand how to play the game, even know they have been playing since the beginning of GW's. Hero's gives you the option to play with a character who will be a team player regardless of you your main character is, they don't rage quit or go arf, or complain about anything.

I admit drop rates can be better with a team full of real players, but given that it is very rare to get a really good group of real players, hero's fit the bill fine. So yes an addition of 3 or 4 more would be nice to fill out the party given that henchies, while nice, hero's are simply better.

Antheus · Jan 01, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by leoknight

I have question for people who do not agreed with this idea, why should we put up with such unnecessary frustration with people from the 3 common problems that I listed from above?

This is not about PUG vs. henchies.

It's about 3 heroes + 4 henchies vs. 7 heroes.

anarion · Jan 01, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Antheus

This is not about PUG vs. henchies.

It's about 3 heroes + 4 henchies vs. 7 heroes.

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Is it hard to play with other players in PUGs? No. Not at all. It just takes the most basic social skills.

my eyes are still blurry along with a massive headache but you seem to be contradicting yourself

Chris Blackstar · Jan 01, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Let me add one final comment, to increase the amount of hero's to your party may also allow creative players the ability to come up with new stragities and builds to counter the cookie cutter builds and players who dominate them in the entire GW's community.

I am tired of being told that I need these certain skills or this build in order to compet in PVP or PVE play, in such places as GVG or HA, and increase I feel would not only benifit GW's as a whole, but would stop eletism, we would all be on a balanced playing field. If not for any other reason, then make it for that one, because only haveing 3 still puts you at a disadvantage in other areas such as HA and GVG.

Lyphen · Jan 01, 2007, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

That would make PvE too easy, as if it wasn't easy enough.

/notsigned

Pretty much what I was going to say.

L|S >+>+G+<+< · Jan 01, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Frostbite Yo

Agreed, sure i can beat the game with a full party of hench's and hero's and i did, but i didnt have much fun at it, a full party is much for fun than a full group of hero's

/not signed

m3h how much fun can you have with a pug where ppl just join & say lets go without even saying hi or w/e.
man, some ppl are nice in this game but most ppl it would seem do not have even the common decency to say hello when joining a pug.
and this is from nearly a years exp.
it is still fun with heroes imo.

/signed

we should be able to take 7 heroes and not just 3
great idea & I fully support it

Liberations · Jan 01, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

/signed for a similar idea.

Kudos to your idea, but i think the main problem is to have more suitable skill bars on henchman.

Agatsu · Jan 01, 2007, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Frostbite Yo

Agreed, sure i can beat the game with a full party of hench's and hero's and i did, but i didn't have much fun at it, a full party is much for fun than a full group of hero's

/not signed

LOL at the people like the above poster who do not want to even allow others the option of having a full party of heroes.

I will agree that I have had the most fun in game when partied with a full group of live players, but there are times I just prefer to run with hench and heroes and would just like the *OPTION* to have a group of heroes.

That is all the op is suggesting after all, some of us would like the *OPTION* of having a full group of heroes if we wanted.

floppinghog · Jan 01, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

while i dont think it will happen (7heros)

you know as well as i do, ill be maintaining 7 hero's enchantments on little old me for huge fun!!!

Burst Cancel · Jan 01, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

/signed

The only real argument against this is that it isn't necessary, and is therefore a waste of developer time. But then again, heroes themselves weren't necessary either. The game has always been, and probably always will be, henchable.

If Anet has to rely on the fact that henchmen suck in order to artificially inflate the difficulty of their missions, then there is something else fundamentally wrong with their game.

To date, I have not seen a convincing argument for why players should not be able to assemble whatever kind of AI team they want. If I want to make a hero team with one warrior, five SF nukers, and two monks, why should the game stop me?

onerabbit · Jan 01, 2007, 02:03 AM // 02:03

/not signed
as it would make pve a bit to easy, but i think you should be able 2 have 4 or 5 heros out, then you could do 5 man farm etc..would be fun

Faer · Jan 01, 2007, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali

yes im aware that others suggested this before